Old Cumbria Gazetteer - St John's Beck

St John's Beck

runs into:-

Greta, River

civil parish:-

St John's Castlerigg and Wythburn (formerly Cumberland)

county:-

Cumbria

locality type:-

river

1Km square:-

NY3123 (etc)

10Km square:-

NY32

BND93.jpg At Sosgill Bridge.
(taken 5.2.2007)
photograph

BXT39.jpg (taken 13.12.2012)

evidence:-

old map:- OS County Series (Cmd 64 12)
placename:- St John's Beck

source data:-

Maps, County Series maps of Great Britain, scales 6 and 25 inches to 1 mile, published by the Ordnance Survey, Southampton, Hampshire, from about 1863 to 1948.

evidence:-

old map:- Saxton 1579

source data:-

Map, hand coloured engraving, Westmorlandiae et Cumberlandiae Comitatus ie Westmorland and Cumberland, scale about 5 miles to 1 inch, by Christopher Saxton, London, engraved by Augustinus Ryther, 1576, published 1579-1645.

Sax9NY32.jpg
item:- private collection : 2
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evidence:-

old map:- Mercator 1595 (edn?)

source data:-

Map, hand coloured engraving, Northumbria, Cumberlandia, et Dunelmensis Episcopatus, ie Northumberland, Cumberland and Durham etc, scale about 6.5 miles to 1 inch, by Gerard Mercator, Duisberg, Germany, about 1595.

MER8CumF.jpg
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double line with stream lines; river, running into the Greta
item:- JandMN : 169
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evidence:-

old map:- Speed 1611 (Cmd)

source data:-

Map, hand coloured engraving, Cumberland and the Ancient Citie Carlile Described, scale about 4 miles to 1 inch, by John Speed, 1610, published by J Sudbury and George Humble, Popes Head Alley, London, 1611-12.

SP11NY32.jpg
double line, runs into the Great
item:- private collection : 16
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evidence:-

old map:- Jansson 1646

source data:-

Map, hand coloured engraving, Cumbria and Westmoria, ie Cumberland and Westmorland, scale about 3.5 miles to 1 inch, by John Jansson, Amsterdam, Netherlands, 1646.

JAN3NY32.jpg
Double wiggly line, tapering to single.
item:- JandMN : 88
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evidence:-

old map:- Ogilby 1675 (plate 96)
placename:- Thurlemire Fluvius

source data:-

Road strip map, hand coloured engraving, the Road from Kendal to Cockermouth, and the Road from Egremond to Carlisle, scale about 1 inch to 1 mile, by John Ogilby, London, 1675.

OG96m025.jpg
In mile 25, Cumberland. "Smathods bridg over Thurlemire fluv:"
river crossed by the road, no bridge drawn.
item:- JandMN : 22
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evidence:-

old map:- Sanson 1679

source data:-

Map, hand coloured engraving, Ancien Royaume de Northumberland aujourdhuy Provinces de Nort, ie the Ancient Kingdom of Northumberland or the Northern Provinces, scale about 9.5 miles to 1 inch, by Nicholas Sanson, Paris, France, 1679.

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SAN2Cm.jpg

item:- Dove Cottage : 2007.38.15
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evidence:-

old map:- Morden 1695 (Cmd)

source data:-

Map, uncoloured engraving, Cumberland, scale about 4 miles to 1 inch, by Robert Morden, 1695, published by Abel Swale, the Unicorn, St Paul's Churchyard, Awnsham, and John Churchill, the Black Swan, Paternoster Row, London, 1695-1715.

MD12NY32.jpg
item:- JandMN : 90
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evidence:-

perhaps old map:- Bowen 1720 (plate 260)
placename:- Thurlmire Fluvius

source data:-

Road strip map, uncoloured engraving, pl.260, The Road from Kendal to Cockermouth, scale about 2 miles to 1 inch, with sections in Westmorland and Cumberland, published by Emanuel Bowen, St Katherines, London, 1720.

B260m25.jpg
"Smathode Bridge over Thurlmire Fluvius"
At mile 25.
item:- private collection : 1.260
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evidence:-

old map:- Simpson 1746 map (Wmd)

source data:-

Map, uncoloured engraving, Westmorland, scale about 8 miles to 1 inch, printed by R Walker, Fleet Lane, London, 1746.

SMP2NYG.jpg
Wiggly line, flowing north into the Derwent.
item:- Dove Cottage : 2007.38.59
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evidence:-

old map:- Bowen and Kitchin 1760

source data:-

Map, hand coloured engraving, A New Map of the Counties of Cumberland and Westmoreland Divided into their Respective Wards, scale about 4 miles to 1 inch, by Emanuel Bowen and Thomas Kitchin et al, published by T Bowles, Robert Sayer, and John Bowles, London, 1760.

BO18NY21.jpg
wiggly line, into the Greta
item:- Armitt Library : 2008.14.10
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evidence:-

old map:- Donald 1774 (Cmd)

source data:-

Map, hand coloured engraving, 3x2 sheets, The County of Cumberland, scale about 1 inch to 1 mile, by Thomas Donald, engraved and published by Joseph Hodskinson, 29 Arundel Street, Strand, London, 1774.

D4NY32SW.jpg

D4NY31NW.jpg
single or double wiggly line; a river into the Greta
item:- Carlisle Library : Map 2
Images © Carlisle Library

evidence:-

old map:- West 1784 map

source data:-

Map, hand coloured engraving, A Map of the Lakes in Cumberland, Westmorland and Lancashire, scale about 3.5 miles to 1 inch, engraved by Paas, 53 Holborn, London, about 1784.

Ws02NY32.jpg
item:- Armitt Library : A1221.1
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evidence:-

old text:- Clarke 1787
placename:- Wanthwaite Beck

source data:-

Guide book, A Survey of the Lakes of Cumberland, Westmorland, and Lancashire, written and published by James Clarke, Penrith, Cumberland, and in London etc, 1787; published 1787-93.

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Page 62:- "... the river Greeta, which contains the waters of ... Wanthwaite-Beck, ..."

evidence:-

old map:- Clarke 1787 map (Ambleside to Keswick)

source data:-

Map, A Map of the Roads Lakes etc between Keswick and Ambleside, scale about 2.5 ins to 1 mile, by James Clarke, engraved by S J Neele, 352 Strand, published by James Clarke, Penrith, Cumberland and in London etc, 1787.

CL9NY31E.jpg
item:- private collection : 10.9
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evidence:-

old text:- Camden 1789 (Gough Additions)
placename:- Bure, River

source data:-

Book, Britannia, or A Chorographical Description of the Flourishing Kingdoms of England, Scotland, and Ireland, by William Camden, 1586, translated from the 1607 Latin edition by Richard Gough, published London, 1789.

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Page 182:- "..."
"On the north side of Castlerigg, on the river Bure, were lead and copper works, ruined in the civil war."

evidence:-

old map:- Cooper 1808

source data:-

Map, uncoloured engraving, Cumberland, scale about 10.5 miles to 1 inch, drawn and engraved by Cooper, published by R Phillips, Bridge Street, Blackfriars, London, 1808.

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COP3.jpg
tapering wiggly line; river
item:- JandMN : 86
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evidence:-

old print:- Green 1814 (plate 27)

source data:-

Print, tinted soft ground etching, Soskeld Bridge, St John's in the Vale, St John's Castlerigg and Wythburn, Cumberland, by William Green, Ambleside, Westmorland, 1814.

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GN1027.jpg
Sosgill Bridge on the St John's Beck.
Plate 27 in Sixty Small Prints.
printed at top right:- "27"
printed at bottom:- "SOSKELD BRIDGE. / Published at Ambleside Augst. 1, 1814, by Wm. Green."
item:- Armitt Library : A6653.27
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evidence:-

old print:- Green 1814 (plate 27)

source data:-

Print, uncoloured soft ground etching, Soskeld Bridge, St John's in the Vale, St John's Castlerigg and Wythburn, Cumberland, by William Green, Ambleside, Westmorland, 1814.

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GN0927.jpg
Sosgill Bridge on the St John's Beck.
Plate 27 in Sixty Small Prints.
printed at top right:- "27"
printed at bottom:- "SOSKELD BRIDGE. / Published at Ambleside Augst. 1, 1814, by Wm. Green."
item:- Armitt Library : A6656.27
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evidence:-

old text:- Green 1814
placename:- Greta, River

source data:-

Set of prints, soft ground etchings, Sixty Small Prints, with text, A Description of a Series of Sixty Small Prints, by William Green, Ambleside, Westmorland, 1814.

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page 15:- "..."
"Soskeld Bridge is upon the Greta, about a mile below the Keswick road. ..."

evidence:-

old map:- Otley 1818

source data:-

Map, uncoloured engraving, The District of the Lakes, Cumberland, Westmorland, and Lancashire, scale about 4 miles to 1 inch, by Jonathan Otley, 1818, engraved by J and G Menzies, Edinburgh, Scotland, published by Jonathan Otley, Keswick, Cumberland, et al, 1833.

evidence:-

descriptive text:- Otley 1823 (5th edn 1834)
placename:- Bure, River

source data:-

Guide book, A Concise Description of the English Lakes, the mountains in their vicinity, and the roads by which they may be visited, with remarks on the mineralogy and geology of the district, by Jonathan Otley, published by the author, Keswick, Cumberland now Cumbria, by J Richardson, London, and by Arthur Foster, Kirkby Lonsdale, Cumbria, 1823; published 1823-49, latterly as the Descriptive Guide to the English Lakes.

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Page 40:- "..."
"The river issuing from Thirlmere, commonly called St. John's beck, has formerly been called the Bure ..."

evidence:-

old map:- Garnett 1850s-60s H

source data:-

Map of the English Lakes, in Cumberland, Westmorland and Lancashire, scale about 3.5 miles to 1 inch, published by John Garnett, Windermere, Westmorland, 1850s-60s.

evidence:-

old photograph:- Bell 1880s-1940s

source data:-

Photograph, black and white, St John's Beck, looking towards Saddleback, St John's Castlerigg and Wythburn, Cumberland, by Herbert Bell, photographer, Ambleside, Westmorland, 1890s.

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HB0745.jpg
internegative at lower left:- "H. Bell"
item:- Armitt Library : ALPS408
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evidence:-

old photograph:- Bell 1880s-1940s

source data:-

Photograph, sepia, St John's Beck, St John's Castlerigg and Wythburn, Cumberland, by Herbert Bell, photographer, Ambleside, Westmorland, 1890s.

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HB0744.jpg
internegative at lower right:- "H. Bell"
item:- Armitt Library : ALPS407
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evidence:-

old photograph:- Bell 1880s-1940s

source data:-

Photograph, black and white, Smaithwaite Bridge, Castle Rock, etc, St John's Castlerigg and Wythburn, Cumberland, by Herbert Bell, photographer, Ambleside, Westmorland, 1890s.

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HB0717.jpg
internegative at lower left:- "H. Bell"
item:- Armitt Library : ALPS381
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evidence:-

text:- Mason 1907 (edn 1930)
placename:- Greta, River

source data:-

Text book, The Ambleside Geography Books bk.III, The Counties of England, by Charlotte M Mason, published by Kegan Paul, Trench, Trubner and Co, Broadway House, 68-74 Carter Lane, and the Parents' Educational Union Office, 26 Victoria Street, London, edn 1930.
MSN1P021.txt
Page 21:- "..."
"At the head of Thirlmere the road turns, and we get a peep down the sweet Vale of St. John's, watered by the Greta river. ..."

places:-

NY31742147 bridge, St John's Castlerigg etc (2) (St John's Castlerigg and Wythburn) L

NY30931921 Meethom Dub (St John's Castlerigg and Wythburn)

NY314194 packhorse bridge, St John's Castlerigg etc (St John's Castlerigg and Wythburn)

NY31551955 Smaithwaite Bridge (St John's Castlerigg and Wythburn)

NY31572105 Sosgill Bridge (St John's Castlerigg and Wythburn) L

NY31212276 stepping stones, Howgate (St John's Castlerigg and Wythburn)

NY31462467 Threlkeld Bridge (Threlkeld / St John's Castlerigg and Wythburn)

NY31402314 Wanthwaite Bridge (St John's Castlerigg and Wythburn)

NY31452319 Wanthwaite Mill (St John's Castlerigg and Wythburn)

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